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Speaker 1 00:00:02 Going through the motions in life, we all do it, but just how detrimental can this be? We argue very, because the world is really good at telling us what we should be doing, giving us social norms that we just fulfill because we don't stop to think about whether they actually work for us. Imagine the impact on relationships if we'd never questioned the societal norm of women staying at home, or the idea that men had to be the breadwinners. Well, today on the podcast, we are stopping to question three social norms that we think do not serve us well in relationships and asking, is it time to stop going through the motions of these ideas? Hey, we're Kim and Raj, and we're here to show couples how to get the best out of their relationship so they can start living their dream life together.
Speaker 2 00:00:49 We're a west Aussie couple who are living the life of our dreams. We don't entertain the word should we think about the future as a field of possibilities, and we'll let joy be our compass.
Speaker 1 00:00:58 We've taken the simple idea of working as a team and applied it to our marriage, and it's been a game changer, allowing us to work out what truly lights us up in life and to go after it together.
Speaker 2 00:01:07 From living in snowy Japan to starting our own house ripping business, we've achieved some big dreams, and most importantly, we feel fulfilled and are having the most fun we've ever had.
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Speaker 1 00:01:41 So today on the podcast, we are going to be smashing three relationship myths, and we thought it was important to kick off just thinking about the idea of what a myth is, because I guess there can be some conjecture around how one person perceives something and another person perceives something. So we are gonna break down what we think a myth is, and then we're gonna break down why we think these three areas are in fact myths. So firstly, looking at what a myth is, or more importantly, looking at what a myth suggests. It's, it suggests that something, an idea out there that is out in the ether that is commonly, uh, discussed and conceived is potentially wrong. And what we're actually talking about, these common ideas that we see are social norms. We talk about this quite a lot at living the team life because we are big believers in, in questioning the shoulds of life, what's expected of us.
Speaker 1 00:02:42 And that's what those social norms really are. They're unwritten rules in society and expectations that people have. They become ingrained in us, embedded in us, and we feel pressure to adhere to these social norms. Uh, we, we are kind of hardwired as humans in this regard to want to fit in. So we don't step outside of the social contract very often. We, we follow what we think we should be doing. So when we think about that, what's the impact of following a social norm or ad adhering to the social norm? The, the, one of the, one of the biggest impacts is that we operate from a, an external place. So when we come to a decision from within ourselves, we take into account all of our own uniqueness, our own experience, our own, um, our own life really. But when we adhere solely to a social norm based on a social cultural expectation, we are operating from an external place where we're adhering to what other people are prescribing as the right, right thing to do.
Speaker 1 00:03:48 Now, there are social norms that can be good. I'm not saying they're all bad. Obviously there's social norms like being respectful to other people, that can be very helpful. It's very helpful to, to live in a society where we show respect to one another, mutual respect. There are social norms that can be very damaging. Historically, we've seen that a lot. For example, the social norm that women should stay home that actually had laws to support that social norm, but that it was a norm in and of itself. It was an expectation that women stayed home, you know? And it really was only very recently that that expectation has lifted and in, in, in a lot of areas of the world that hasn't even lift lifted, that is still a social norm. So, so moving on, that's sort of what the social norms are. What we're going to be looking at today is three social norms that we've identified that we really don't believe serve people well in relationships. And we will open that up to you to consider whether you, whether you think they serve you well or not in, in your relationship.
Speaker 2 00:04:50 So social norms really are really the detailed guidelines of how we should act in society, where we've got this overall principle of the social contract. So, so of course we're supposed to be acting within, within these guidelines, right? But those guidelines sometimes, as you were saying, aren't always correct. And so people believe they're working within the social structure and guidelines they should be to get a positive outcome. But when that outcome starts to become negative and damaging, that's where you have an issue. And that's why it's we're here today to bust some myths.
Speaker 1 00:05:28 It is, it is really Sorry, I just wanna agree with you there and really like the, the truth of it.
Speaker 2 00:05:34 How dare you cut me off to agree with me. <laugh>. <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:05:37 The danger in it is that we are not questioning it. And I don't wanna get on like a rant about, you know, questioning.
Speaker 2 00:05:46 Are you, are you sure <laugh>?
Speaker 1 00:05:48 I kind of do, but I gotta reign myself in the, the, the, it's the non questioning of whether it's serving you that is really dangerous around social norms. And that's what we, that's why we wanna bust these myths because we've questioned them and our lives have, especially the first myth we're about to bust, it's changed our life.
Speaker 2 00:06:11 Yeah. And there there's an argument that, uh, some of the problems with cultural norms similar to the same as, you know, common law or legislative law, is that it doesn't actually always keep up with the times. And I think our first example is a great one. So the first myth we're going to bust today on our, uh, living the team life myth bust is episode <laugh>. Is, uh, that the cultural norm, that the individual comes first in a romantic relationship. And I think most of you have heard this, or at least be taught this or seen it on social media about being a boss, you know, putting yourself first. And a lot of it has to do, especially in the western culture and western society with this growth of individualism and agency, uh, and empowerment of the individual, which I, in many ways is very important. You know, a break free from certain social structures, a break free from, uh, I think it's quite heavily linked with capitalism as well. Uh, and then of course, I think overall in terms of the relationship, I think the main context of why the individual now is being put ahead of the romantic relationship and as a result causing so many problems is the liberation of women from the old school. Patriarchal dominance.
Speaker 1 00:07:31 A hundred percent. This has definitely got historical roots, right? I think as we've evolved in recent decades to give women more and more rights, there's been, uh, certainly more and more conversation around making sure that they retain that independence and those rights that they've been given. And as a result, you certainly hear or have heard for, you know, a while now, that we wanna be clear to, to maintain our individualism and put ourselves first in the relationship as individuals. And I think that's what we wanna be clear on. We are not saying don't have independence. We're not saying be codependent with your partner. We are saying you don't put the individual above the relationship, right? That's the myth we're busting, is really that the individual comes before the relationship and we're saying no, the relationship comes before the individual.
Speaker 2 00:08:29 Well, really what you've got is you've got two people coming together who, who have an agreement between them. They've, they've committed to each other, and that agreement's actually to put each other first and the relationship first. But then you've got this societal norm saying, well, no, you've gotta put yourself first and your agency first. But in no other collaborative context, is this true in order to achieve the best outcome? It it's not true in business, it's not true in sport. You know, we have in business and sport, billion dollar consulting, a multi-billion dollar consulting industry, organizational and sport psychs, uh, CEOs and leaders are often hired or their applauded for their ability to bring people together to work as a team towards achieving an aligned and common outcome.
Speaker 1 00:09:18 Yeah, couldn't agree more. And I think the re one of the reasons I just wanna like, touch on why we've got stuck in this space. We've sort of spoken about how it's evolved from the, from the female perspective, you know, wanting to make sure, make sure that they, they don't end up in the, in an oppressive situation, in relationships again, where they are subservient as dictated by society. Certainly not subservient as a person, uh, but the, for men, I think there is also a narrative around this, which is that, uh, men have the right to have their own time. This is certainly something that feeds into this. I have the right to maintain my own time and do my own things and, and whatever I wanna do, which is really, again, saying I have a right to put my individual self above the relationship no matter what.
Speaker 1 00:10:09 And that's the myth we're trying to bust. And what you are saying, ROJ, which I completely agree with, is there is no other, and the key word, collaborative, collaborative context where this is true, and this is where we need to get into the mindset of what a relationship is. It is a group, it is a collaborative effort. And when we think about any other collaborative situation, any other group, there's no way that you could put the individual first and have the group perform at its absolute best. It just wouldn't work. So, so let's relate this back to a team. What is the ultimate goal of the team? It's to work as best as possible for the greater good of the team to achieve, you know, the highest and best outcome for the team in the relationship. This translates exactly to the highest and most fulfilling quality of life that you wanna achieve.
Speaker 1 00:11:06 And this is not done in a team by sacrificing one team member. This is done by bringing everybody along for the ride. All of the team members, when we sit in those spaces, those old mindsets of, oh, I have a right to my time, or I'm scared I'll lose my independence. This is very much a fear-based approach. And we need to be brave like a team, trust, like a team together, and, and look to actually lean into the relationship to actually give more of ourselves, to be more transparent in the team so that the more the team has information about the individual, the more the team is invested in by the individual, the more the team can succeed together. Once it's got all that information, once it's invested in from the individuals, that's when it can fulfill its absolute best outcomes.
Speaker 2 00:11:58 A hundred percent agree. And I love how you really talked about almost like it's highest and best use, uh, because you know, in a business, and again, in in a sporting context, you, you're trying to achieve something amazing. And as you just said, you know, and as we say on living the team life is you need to become a team to achieve your dreams together. Otherwise both the individuals lose. If you in any other collaborative context or team context have people pulling in opposite directions, it's inefficient. It it's as simple as that. The, the math doesn't work. Anyone who wants to achieve anything good, anything incredible needs a laser focus. And it's the same for a team to, to achieve your dreams, you need la laser focus. And if you have two individuals with their own separate goals and their own separate ideas and their own separate dreams, and they're pulling to in different directions, the group as a whole, so the two of you are actually spreading yourselves thin across multiple fields. Yes. While in a relationship, if the two of you are coming together and you have combined dreams, combined goals, and this can include personal endeavors in individual pursuits, as long as they're supported and agreed on by the team, you are more likely to achieve the goals you want. And as a result, the individual's more likely to achieve what they really want out of life.
Speaker 1 00:13:26 You know, it's the old montage you see in the sporting movies, right? Where you have this superstar player who's the problem child. 'cause all they wanna do is take care of themselves. And so they run at goal and they constantly shoot without sharing the ball. And the team never goes anywhere because it's too hard what they're trying to achieve on their own. And it's too selfish what they're trying to achieve on their own. And the second they start being a team member, they start kicking off to another player, the outcomes become exponentially greater. The good outcomes, the opportunities for goal become exponentially greater. And, and that's what I think about when I think about this. It's handing off the ball and realizing that now you've got all these different angles for goal, not just the one in front of you because you've added to your potential there. And if you just stick with the one individual, you've only got one shot at goal. So it's, it's about harnessing the power of the team coming together as well as maximizing the resources you have rather than separating them out.
Speaker 2 00:14:24 And, you know, again, we're talking about social norms here. So a business norm is come together as a team to get alignment, to achieve success. A a sporting norm is to come together as a team to be aligned and achieve success. But because we still, and we talked about this in episode 27, uh, the mind versus yours mindset, because we have broken free of this sort of patriarchal structure
Speaker 1 00:14:51 Breaking free because
Speaker 2 00:14:52 We are breaking <laugh> a note, uh, of this patriarchal structure. But there still doesn't seem to be a new structure where two individuals can be, I guess, free and have agency over themselves, but then come together and work as a team. And that's why we believe it is the team life, the team
Speaker 1 00:15:11 Structure couldn't agree more. It, it's new, right? It's a new idea. Definitely. We are still sitting in the space where the, the idea is to sit in the fear-based I, I'm scared of what will happen if I lean into the relationship and we are trying to smash that and say lean in it. It, it is going
Speaker 2 00:15:28 To make, we're not bust myth west mashing myths.
Speaker 1 00:15:30 It's going to make your life leaning into the team will completely change your relationship and the quality of life you have as an outcome.
Speaker 2 00:15:38 A hundred percent agree. So myth number two, Kim.
Speaker 1 00:15:41 Myth number two. Okay, this one's a great one. <laugh>. Myth number two is that good relationships should be easy. It's such a crazy, ridiculous idea to me. What in life have you ever discovered that is both good and easy? And if you have something, please let me know because it's, it's just, it would be lovely to know what these magical unicorn things are. The reality is, if you wanna live your best life, we're saying if you wanna live your highest quality of life, that means not settling for less, but living a fulfilled and purposeful life. So if you really wanna live your highest life, your your best quality of life, you have to go after your dreams and going after things, right? That's not easy. That requires work. Just like your relationship requires work. You know, it's so funny to us when we moved to Japan, and we talked about this before, we had so many people say to us, oh, I wish we could do that.
Speaker 1 00:16:45 Well, you can. You just have to have the dream and then go after it. Same thing. We started a renovating business. So many people watch renovation shows and are really motivated by them and say things like, oh, I wish I could do that. I watch the show, blah, blah. I can't tell you how many times. Talk to me about people. Talk to me about Chip and Joanna Gaines. Are you guys gonna be the next chip? And Joanna, no, we're not that cool, but would've been nice. But the, the idea that they couldn't do it and we could for some reason was crazy. To me, it's just, it's just acknowledging that you want more out of life. It's acknowledging that you want to fulfill your dreams. And the truth is, if you want to fulfill your dreams, if you want to acknowledge that part of your life, that I want a more purposeful life.
Speaker 1 00:17:28 That there are things that light me up in life that are going to take work. The relationship is part of that. The relationship is an intricate part of that. You cannot have your highest and best quality of life as a couple. You cannot fulfill your dreams as a couple if you don't work towards them. They take a lot of work, just like us going to Japan as a dream, just like us starting our renovating business was a dream. We had to work really, really hard to get to those dreams. And we've had to work really, really hard on our relationship to make those dreams possible, to make us such a strong unit that we can chase those dreams down.
Speaker 2 00:18:10 Yeah, we, we had 10 years where we weren't working as a team and to really turn our lives around and our relationship around, it's taken a lot of hard work over the last 10 years and we're still working really hard on it today. Uh, you know, because life isn't stagnant and it's always evolving and people are changing and you are two different people. So you've gotta continually put in the work. It's become a little bit cliche and, and a good social norm, I think, is that now people understand that it's not the outcome you want to achieve, it's the journey to get there. Because as soon as you get to the outcome you wanna achieve, you ream you start dreaming again. <laugh>, the, you know, there's, there's the most people aren't satisfied when they get to that because they have a thirst for like how I, I can achieve more. Um,
Speaker 1 00:18:56 I don't know that they're not satisfied. I think we get very satisfied, but then we think, well, what's our next purpose? You need a purpose. And so once you've, once you've fulfilled that one dream, that purpose, don't you seek the next purposeful journey in your life?
Speaker 2 00:19:11 Uh, uh, yeah. Yeah, a hundred percent right, actually. And I think that's what we also like to say here, is that you are living your dream life as soon as you start working towards your dream. Yes. You know, you are not living your dream life in five, 10 years down the track when you achieve your goal. You are living your dream life when you start on day one to put in the work to, to get towards your goal, towards your dream.
Speaker 1 00:19:35 Yeah, a hundred percent. I mean, we, we often have this like funny conversation, the what if you won lotto. And for us, ironically, no matter how much, if you won lotto, no matter how much you won, a lot of what we would do is exactly what we're working on right now. The dreams we have are so similar to what our lotto dreams would be. It's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:19:58 We, we might have a nicer house. We'd obviously bring forward our dreams of having that hobby farm out in the hills, you know, might buy a boat, have some, uh, champagne and that sort of thing. But we'd still be doing, living the team life. We'd still be working towards the things we
Speaker 1 00:20:14 We're working towards the farm. We are doing those things already. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:20:17 That's so that's funny thing. Yeah. So, and that's why we feel we're living our dream life is 'cause we've set these goals and now 'cause we're working on them, we do believe we are living our best life and, and our dream life because where else do you get to do that?
Speaker 1 00:20:29 Yeah, absolutely. So I think something I wanna pick up on for this myth, this myth we're busting here, which is that hard work is normal in a relationship. Relationships require you to upskill constantly if you wanna get better. And that's what we're trying to say here, groups, collaborative efforts as, and collaborative situations, as Rod described, they all require work to get towards their goals and dreams. And, and that work that you do is about upskilling. You're always constantly revising your skills, getting better at things, et cetera. Relationships are no different. You need to upskill all the time. So it's something that I think really bears thinking about the idea that when we work hard on our relationships, it doesn't reflect that our relationships are in a negative state and need work. I think again, that sits in like the fear-based mentality. What will people think about me?
Speaker 1 00:21:24 I'm having to work so hard on my relationship, but the reality is any group wanting to progress has to work on their skillset. So think about it like skills. When you learn how to do new things and you read a new book on relationships or have a new conversation to try out how you talk about things or listen to a podcast or whatever it is, you are simply upskilling yourself in relationships. And that means you're getting better at doing your relationships. And when you get better at your relationship, you get better at going after your dream life together. It all links together
Speaker 2 00:21:55 A hundred percent. Like any skill, being a good partner and a good teammate requires learning. It requires practice and it requires ongoing effort, communication, understanding, empathy, compromise, emotional intelligence. They, they don't come naturally to most of us. There's something that we constantly need to develop, we need to hone, and then of course we need to go back and go, is this still relevant? And, and put in the work again to re-home and review all those things again.
Speaker 1 00:22:26 Yeah, absolutely. Right. Let's jump on to myth number three. Roger, what have we got?
Speaker 2 00:22:31 All right. So this is a good one, and I think it's segues quite nicely from the fact that we've, we've already busted the myth that, uh, good relationships don't, aren't hard work. And this is that myth number three is happy couples don't fight. And I think one of the reasons for this myth is, well, generally people just don't like fighting and don't like conflict. Uh, they don't know how to fight well, is another reason.
Speaker 1 00:22:58 Definitely fighting is such a funny one. And I I think that you're right, people don't like conflict and understandably so. Conflict is difficult. It's the uncomfortable stuff we talk about. Uh, but I think also there's just this real stigma attached with fights. People think fighting means you're doing something wrong. And maybe it's the word fight, I don't know. But the reality is fighting can also just be called disagreeing. If you never disagreed with anyone, how would we possibly have progress? Do you know what I mean? It'd be so, it'd be so slow because nobody would ever be challenging and questioning. And, and that's what we do all the time in our relationship. We constantly challenge and question one another. I, I mean, someone could look at us this morning and say, you've had how many fights? I don't know. They're not really fights. They're disagreements.
Speaker 1 00:23:52 We've learned how to fight so well. And I guess that's the point that I get to is it's not about not fighting the science. And the research actually tells us that the absence of fighting does is not a predictor for a successful relationship. So what I'm saying is, if you don't fight no research, there's no research out there that suggests if you don't fight with your partner, you are going to be more likely to have a successful relationship. In fact, it it, the research says that it's, you do need to fight firstly, and those who fight, it's about whether they fight well or not right? It's about how you rift and repair. So it's the skills you have in fighting that matter, not that you don't fight. So what we, again, like what we said in myth number two, it's about upskilling on how to deal with conflict. Well, because you cannot possibly expect that you're not going to have conflict in your relationship.
Speaker 2 00:24:49 You, your marriage isn't just a domain for comfort for set and forget for having a beer on the couch and watching the footy and watching the world go by and then going off on your own personal pursuits. No, uh, marriage is actually really important for your own personal development. When we're younger and we've got our friends in our social groups, we're constantly testing and reframing and growing with our friends about what's socially okay, what's good, what's bad. And our and our friends let us know, right? But as we get older and we, and with with our partner, they actually become the main focal point for us to test whether we're still relevant mentally, emotionally, whether what we're doing still is important. And so if we're constantly looking for self-improvement and growth, which we should be, because you are always changing. So you wanna be changing in the right direction and in a positive way, the feedback and the push and pull you get from your partner, that rift and repair is so important to who you are and to being a better person. So
Speaker 1 00:25:52 To growing rat, it gives you the opportunity to question yourself when your partner questions you and says, oh, hang on, can we think about this a different way? Can we look? And you and I do this, um, especially because we run a business together. So, and we are both very opinionated people. So when something comes up in business, you know, it's, it's a, it's a strong debate quite often about really serious, big issues. But, and, and, and we can get quite passionate and we might say something that might be too cur too too short with the other person. You know, that's definitely where you're entering into that real fight state, right? Like, well now you've become defensive and you start arguing back and forth, but we repair so well because we understand the value in that discussion. And, and more often than not, we actually come outta that discussion in a, in a better place, in a place of like, well, wow, wow. I've learned something there. And I, that was actually a really good point. I've had to grow in that space. And how awesome is that, that I'm growing as I go in my relationship, that I'm questioning things? And not just exactly what you said, Roger, why would you just wanna sit back and settle for what you have now? Well,
Speaker 2 00:27:00 You, you are also constantly not just learning about yourself, but you're learning about your partner when you're having these, these disagreements and these fights. And we talked previously about why it's important to have hard work in a relationship, but 'cause life is hard. Relationships are hard, whether they be with your friends or your significant other, and people are always changing. People are constantly evolving and changing, and that rift and repair those constant little disagreements. And then resolutions are, they're a way to look into your partner and go, okay, this is what brings them joy. This is what upsets 'em, this is how they're growing, okay. And I want to grow with them. So I think that's really important. And the other, I guess you could put it another way, is that do you really want a doormat for a partner in your life? Is that what you really want? Do you want just a subservient wife who stays at home and doesn't challenges you? Do you want an echo chamber? Do you want a yes man or a yes woman? You know, I think when we don't challenge our partners or when we don't want to be challenged by our partners, there's a real danger of, uh, having a lack of depth and engagement in the relationship. And over time, you're gonna find that builds resentment. And I think even worse, it builds apathy, which I think is almost the killer of a relationship. Oh
Speaker 1 00:28:20 Yeah. You, you know, when someone stops trying, when someone stops arguing, that's when you, that's when you are gonna be worried. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:28:28 If, if someone's challenging you, it means they care about you.
Speaker 1 00:28:30 They care about the team, they care about you, they care about your future together, your outcomes together. When your partner stops doing that, you're in a dangerous space.
Speaker 2 00:28:41 You are. So yeah, I think the outcomes there is fight more with your partner <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:28:46 Or think about it as, as healthy disagreement, as constructive disagreement and, and just whatever positive spin you need to put on that word. If that word's uncomfortable, and I know that word can be triggering for some people, just get a little bit deeper with it and think about the way you can label it or reframe it to understand that without those disagreements, without people challenging us and questioning us, we don't grow. And we wanna be able to challenge and question the relationship. We wanna be able to challenge and question one another because we definitely wanna be growing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:29:16 And reverse in reverse engineering. What we've just talked about in terms of our three myths is, yeah, it is hard, hard to fight. Well, it's important we fight, but it is hard to fight Well. But also if you think about the relationship as a team and not an individual individual pursuit, you are more likely to understand that that person does have your back in your corner. And what they're trying to do is challenge you or they're trying to find out more about you or you are, are in a position to try to challenge them.
Speaker 1 00:29:47 Yeah, absolutely. You know, they, their, their focus is on the team. And, and we talk a lot about this. When you look at things through the team lens, it stops becoming so personal. It they're not attacking you. They might be questioning something that the relationship is doing or a decision you guys are making together, but it's not a personal attack.
Speaker 2 00:30:05 No. And if you're sitting there going, oh, we fight all the time and I dunno how to do this well, we'll say, yeah. Because it is a skill and skills are hard work. Yes. Oh man, I think we've tied that together pretty well. <laugh>, <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:30:16 Nice little bow. Well on Reggie, uh, Roger, what was your gold nugget out of today's show?
Speaker 2 00:30:22 I think my gold nugget out of today's show was that in no other situation in terms of the team, is it ever seen as appropriate or optimal for the individual to come first above the team, yet in a relationship that seems to be the norm?
Speaker 1 00:30:40 Oh, honestly, like I just am so pumped up by this idea, the group that you're saying, like, you've got to think of yourself as a group. There's two of you. And, and that's the key to that. Understand that you are a group and groups don't work if you don't put the group first. So that's awesome. And I've also got a little one for me, which was that on the hard work one, the hard work is the vehicle that takes you from where you are to where you want to be. If you think of hard work like that as the vehicle that takes you from where you are to where you wanna be, how could you not have hard work in your relationship? Because your relationship is never perfect and it can always get better. And if you wanna keep excelling and growing in life, having an awesome relationship behind you is the best tool to do it. But you gotta, you gotta keep working on that relationship and hard work's, the hard work's, the vehicle that's gonna take your relationship from where it is to where you want it to be.
Speaker 2 00:31:38 And it should be hard work.
Speaker 1 00:31:40 Amen.
Speaker 2 00:31:45 You are amazing. You've just spent quality time on your relationship,
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Speaker 1 00:32:07 Until next time, keep on living the team life.
