Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Do you and your partner have a plan for 2025 or are you just hoping things will fall into place? A lot of couples avoid plan together. Maybe one of you loves structure while the other prefers to go over the flow. Or maybe past planning sessions have led to a bit of tension. The truth is, without a plan, it's easy to end up on different pages leading to stress and missed opportunities for the things that really matter. In today's episode, we'll show you how to create a simple one year plan in in just one hour. We'll also walk you through an easy process that gets you and your partner on the same page so you can reduce stress, align your priorities and actually build the life you want together.
[00:00:43] Speaker B: Hey, we're Kim and Rog and we're here to show couples how to get the best out of their relationship so they can start living their dream life together.
[00:00:49] Speaker A: We're a West Aussie couple who are living the life of our dreams. We don't entertain the word should or we think about the future as a field of possibilities and we let joy be our compass.
[00:00:58] Speaker B: We've taken the simple idea of working as a team and applied it to our marriage and it's been a game changer, allowing us to work out what truly lights us up in life and to go after it together.
[00:01:07] Speaker A: From living in snowy Japan to starting our own house flipping business, we've achieved some big dreams. And most importantly, we feel fulfilled and are having the most fun we've ever had.
[00:01:15] Speaker B: Here, conversations from inspiring couples, thoughts from relationship experts, and tales from our own lives as we help you to gain the wisdom and skills you'll need to turn your relationship into a real team.
[00:01:25] Speaker A: These are relationship conversations for real people, by real people. So sit back, get comfort, whatever tickles your pickle, and enjoy living the team life.
[00:01:42] Speaker B: Before we broke for school holidays, Rog and I did what we do every year and we wrote our plan for 2025. We wrote out what we were going to do. Our roadmap for 2025, it was much bigger than just that. We actually, we actually have a three year plan that we dilute back to a one year set of goals.
But I just wanted to talk to you about that first because something that we did in that, that was really powerful was a visualization exercise and had a profound impact on us from the sense of, I guess with all the concepts we talk about, if you don't understand why you're doing them, it's very hard to connect to them. And I think visualization in planning is A great way to get to the why I want to do this. Why am I wanting to do this exercise which feels like work, Planning feels like work.
So we did this visualization exercise.
Just let me preface this by saying we've done a lot of planning work in our lives. So we did an exercise where we looked back to 10 years ago and we wrote about what life was like 10 years ago. And on the back of writing about what life was like 10 years ago and sharing that with each other, we then visualized what life would look like 10 years from now. And the reason it was so powerful is because you do not realize how much change you can make. You can make in 10 years how very different your life will. It's. It's not even a question of could your life will look.
Whether you will it to or not, it's going to look different. Ten years is a huge amount of time, and life is going to come at you in various ways. You have the opportunity to affect the way that goes, and you also have the opportunity to let life happen to you. And what we saw when we went back 10 years was that the planning we'd put in place over the last 10 years had drastically affected the outcomes we'd had in the last 10 years. And that lit us up because we realized, well, if we plan like that again with the even more resources and knowledge we have now for the next 10 years, I mean, we're not dreaming small here. We're talking big, big ten year dreams. Because we know how much life can change.
But it won't change the way you want it to if you don't plan. And that's why I wanted to share how important understanding the why of planning is. If you guys can just stop for a minute right now and think to yourself where you were 10 years ago, what life was like, remember all the bits of it. Family, home, job, aspirations, education, whatever part of life that's standing out to you. Think about what life looked like and then just think about how it looks today and see the gap between the two.
Just hold that for a moment. How much has changed in 10 years?
Because that's why we're here today.
We want you to know that if you set a plan, the change you can make in the next 10 years is monumental. And the change you can make in the next year is very significant. Ten years will be monumental.
One year can be very significant. And, and that's what we wanted to talk about today, because we don't want to overwhelm you with a 10 year plan.
We want to give you something you can action together today. This is about planning as a couple. This is about working with your teammate to make a plan for your life for the next year and managing to do it in just one hour.
[00:06:02] Speaker A: Yeah. And that planning exercise we did just before the start of school holidays, really gearing us up for the holidays and then a big 20, 20, 25. It was really powerful for me as well because we hadn't done it this that way before. But looking at back where I was 10 years ago and I wasn't really happy with who I was looking at where I was today and I, and I am far more happier and then looking at where we, I could be and where we could be in 10 years time was quite mind blowing and gave me a lot of hope and a confidence in myself and also in us and where our life was going. And I think that, I think most couples don't plan. I think, I think, I think a lot of people don't plan in general. I think more people plan for themselves and I think very few couples plan. And we've had a lot of our friends ask, can you do, can you give us something a simple way to go about planning. Because we want to play, to plan together because you want to have agency of your life, you want to have control and not just be swept up in the current of life, especially for the next 10 years. But as you said, we're just going to focus on, on the first year.
[00:07:09] Speaker B: I mean, can I just say how great planning is?
I am a lady with a plan. I am a. I create our planning sessions each year. I try and up the ante with something new and wonderful to do that will bring us even more inspiration, a greater perspective, a different perspective. But planning I have not stopped in the last week because we, we've done a lot of planning for both personal and business for this year. And how much has it pumped me up to say we got a plan. We are covered across all boards.
[00:07:42] Speaker A: What gets you excited and it gives you confidence as well.
[00:07:45] Speaker B: It gives you confidence.
[00:07:45] Speaker A: I think that's a, you know, the fact that you do love planning so much. And I think I'm getting there and I've, I'm, I get involved.
[00:07:52] Speaker B: You're brilliant. It brings me so much joy that we plan together. It brings me so much joy that we share that together.
[00:08:00] Speaker A: Yeah. And look, this is a great segue, sweetie, because you know, why don't some couples plan together? Why do they avoid planning together? You know, and I think one of the, the Big reasons. And I think we can point to this is often there's different personalities and preferences and you know, I guess, you know what, whatever their story was. So for you, you guys in your family used to like budget and plan for fun almost.
Well, I don't think we didn't ever do that in my family or it definitely wasn't model to, to me as, as a kid. So, you know, I, I found it very jarring at first. And I guess, you know, one of the reasons was because it gave. I thought, you know, for me it was almost like a fear of restriction, losing freedom. When we, of course, you've heard us talk about on the podcast before and we'll talk about it again later on is planning is freedom. But if you don't have, you haven't been through the motions. If you don't really know that, you see it as a restriction on your phone. Well, if I've got a plan, I've got to go forward with it and it means I can't do all the stuff I want to do or what if life, you know, and got a.
[00:09:05] Speaker B: Very good plan if it doesn't reflect.
[00:09:06] Speaker A: What you want to do, you know. And so, so couples can do that because they come from different backgrounds because they're. One of them. Might be fear of the restriction of planning. Sometimes couples aren't great at communicating either. And you know, even though often people say, well, communication's the. The issue, I think a lot of people aren't great at communicating about a life plan moving forward. But I'd actually say the root cause of that is more they don't have the tools and skills to do it. And again, that's what we're here to do today, to give you the. And the skills to plan together.
[00:09:38] Speaker B: That's great. I think that's really helpful to unpack that. Roggie why some people avoid planning because I'm sure there's people listening who are thinking, why haven't we done this? Or. Or even why isn't my partner interested in this? I've tried to raise this before. These might be some of the things they're struggling with. And you might need to address that first before you even get started on planning. Right. Because you need to have empathy if your partner might struggle like you did. We definitely had to talk quite a bit about the merit in planning before we got going on planning.
[00:10:09] Speaker A: Well, it needed to be the merit because I didn't have the background. I was a bit afraid of planning in general.
So I needed to be brave and I needed the confidence.
[00:10:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:19] Speaker A: And that came from Art. Also. You, you provided me with the tools and skills to do it.
[00:10:24] Speaker B: So let's talk a little bit about the impact of not planning together. What are the downsides of not having a plan? Because we're here to convince you. Get planning, guys. The, the first one we'd say is that you end up with misaligned expectations. You know, one partner assumes things will happen a certain way and the, the other partner has completely different ideas around things. And this is a very common problem in relationships. When people say we have misaligned expectations. Well, that's, that's because you don't have a plan in place. You will inevitably not achieve as many goals as you would like to because your greatest resource, people, is your teammate. And that's the reality of life. If you want to go after a goal, you need help. You need to work as a team. We are better off with a team. It helps us to get to where we want to go. So if you don't work as a team, the only outcome you can see is that you're going to achieve less goals.
It can also build increased stress and resentment in the relationship. You know, you end up making last minute decisions when you don't have a plan, even to the point of, you know, I'm talking micro planning now. But if you think about the holidays, and we've done a couple of episodes on holidays, and how much frustration couples experience because they don't plan what's going to happen on the holidays. They don't talk about simple things that they want to achieve in the holidays, what their expectations are and therefore follow the plan. And so you end up in that adversarial mindset again.
Another thing that can happen when you're not planning is that you have less quality time together. If you haven't made an intention in your relationship to spend quality time together, it doesn't happen. No, we are too busy as people. That's the truth of it. You have to be very deliberate or you have to have practiced it for a very long time. Which means you've been deliberate for a very long time. Right. You want to make that automatic. But that takes practice and time. So you really need to plan your quality time.
A big one that couples struggle with when they don't plan is financial strain.
Planning is about planning for all parts of your life. And a big, big part of being a couple is the responsibility of running your finances. And it is a big responsibility, especially when children come into the picture. You have so many balls you're trying to juggle in the financial space.
If you're not planning together around finances, it can lead to huge financial mismatches. People spending on things that the other one doesn't want to, frustration at the other person's idea of what, what savings should look like. Maybe someone, and I've heard this a lot, maybe someone's a penny pincher and it's causing you to feel sad and constrained in the relationship and undervalued. These are the sorts of things that can really fester in a relationship. And, and the, the last one I'd just touch on in terms of what the impact can be if you don't plan together. Because remember, we're team plan is emotional distance. When couples don't plan, you're not walking on the same path. So obviously you're going to be working, walking further apart. And you really can risk feeling like roommates walking on their own individual journeys rather than a team working together and walking together on one journey.
[00:13:37] Speaker A: That's so right, sweetie. You know, when we don't plan, we're living so much to, we're leaving so much to chance. And you know, do you want to leave your life to chance? No. Do you want to leave your relationship and the success of your relationship to chance? No. And of course there are a heap of benefits to planning as a team because as we've said, planning is freedom.
It was so impactful for me when I understood that the more I planned, the more time I actually got to do the things I wanted to do, to do the things that mattered, the more time I got and freedom of mind I got because I understood that things were going to get ticked off if I worked the plan and I had time to do the things that really lit me up to do. You know, at first it was just downtime, but now it's to do all the fun things I want to do with you and a daughter in our lives. You know, when you, since you and I have started playing together, I'm also know some a really strong connection between the two of us.
And part of it's because we're on the same page. You know, being on the same page, your partner is so important. Being aligned with your partner is so important. And the other thing is achieving things with your partner really, really strengthens a bond. And it's a big one for guys as well. Doing something with your partner, planning for it and then going out and actually achieving it really bonds men to women. It bonds guys to guys as well, but really bonds men to women.
If you plan together, you're also less likely to fight because you understand where each of your resources and priorities are going to be allocated. You're on the same page, you're aligned. You're more likely to provide the right support for each other and feel supported in turn. Because, you know, here's my priorities, here's your priorities, here's our priorities. So we know where we can push and pull, where we need to give support, or where we can say, hey, that's not on the priority list. So we need to back away from that. We need to focus. And of course, like you talked about, sweetie, with financial strain, which a lot of people are under at the moment, with the cost of living, if you plan and have a financial plan around it as well, it helps you work towards your big life goals, like saving for a car, saving for schools, for the kids, saving for a home, saving for holidays, saving for retirement. And this is all about getting what you really want out of life.
[00:16:04] Speaker B: Yeah, we've had some awesome conversations with friends recently who are really on the plan journey and a number of those are around when they want to retire. Yeah, now we're 40 and 41, but these people are clear on when they're going to retire and how they're going to get there.
[00:16:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:21] Speaker B: And it lit me up listening to them just thinking how awesome you're going after the life you really want by setting a very clear plan for what sort of life you want and how you're going to get there. Very cool.
All right, so I have a little excerpt from a book, Rog, that I would like to get your opinion on that relates to planning, because I think this is just a really cool way of thinking about planning and I think getting your, your opinion as a guy would be really helpful. So let me jump into it. In his book, the Secrets of happily married men, Dr. Scott Holtzman suggests that men can improve their marriages by applying skills they use in the workplace. He emphasises setting goals, maintaining focus and working diligently on them, much like one would in a professional setting. What are your thoughts about this?
[00:17:14] Speaker A: Well, babe, like it, it sort of does blow your mind about, you know, for men and women. And, you know, I can really only talk on behalf of men, how we have these jobs where we strategic plan, because every good business has a strategic plan. But then we don't assume that, you know, the, your, your life should have a strategic plan or you shouldn't have a strategic plan for your partner. You don't bring those skills in when they're they're highly transferable. The other thing is, you know, a strong business has a strong culture and has strong teams and high performance teams in them. And yet so many guys don't look at their relationship as a team, their relation. Their relationship is me, my wife and the kids. You know, they might even look at it as a family unit, but they don't sit there and go, my wife is a team. They're the most important asset. How can we work on our lives, on our relationship together? Because that's the best outcome while in, of course, in the office. You know, businesses spend billions and billions of dollars a year globally on how to make, how to create high performance teams.
[00:18:28] Speaker B: Let's be honest, most people don't love work as much as they love their family and their.
And yet we put our resources into the workplace to grow and be the best it can be. And we don't apply that to our family because businesses, at the end of the day are very clear, good ones on where they're going because they have a growth mindset. They want to grow.
[00:18:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:56] Speaker B: They want to be the best business. They want to make more money, they want to be more successful, they want to have bigger market share, they want to be innovative leaders. They are on a growth mindset and then they just plan it out. And yet we don't do that. In the project of life, the thing that is most important to us, our life.
[00:19:17] Speaker A: With your teammate, with your business partner, your life partner, best, best resource on.
[00:19:22] Speaker B: Earth, the person who knows you best, who is on your team, who has your back no matter what, what, you know, at work, you'll never have the sense of security you have at home to be able to go and chase those dreams together. And yet we put so much energy into it. That literally blows my mind.
[00:19:40] Speaker A: Yeah. And, you know, we're just about to go through what are the, you know, the steps to doing a plan together with your partner. And so a lot of this is pulled from successful businesses.
[00:19:55] Speaker B: Yes. So let's jump into that.
How do we plan together?
First things first. I just said it in those words, do it together. We do not want to be planning solo. We want to use that resource, that great partner we want to build. Actually, something I didn't grab on with what you just said, Roger, which I really wanted to was the culture. What an added bonus. Not only do you chase down the life you want, you live in the environment you want. Your family unit is a culture. Your partnership, your relationship is a culture.
[00:20:25] Speaker A: We are a couple that plan for the Future. We're a couple that work the plan.
[00:20:29] Speaker B: Take it back to the analogy of business. There are people who say, I loved working there. Why did you love working there? It was just such a good place to work. What they're talking about is culture.
[00:20:38] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:20:39] Speaker B: It's the same as where your home is, if your home is great. I loved being in that home and living in that family. Why'd you love it? It was just really fun. It was a great place to be, you know, and people will say that about their childhood. I love my family. I love what that means. They had a good culture, you know, I had a good space. Everyone encouraged each other. We did things together. That's a good culture right there.
[00:20:58] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:20:59] Speaker B: So do it together.
It's more than just logistics by doing it together. Don't think about planning as planning. Think about it from all these perspectives. We're saying building the culture, chasing the life together, bonding together. It's about strengthening your relationship and assuring, ensuring that you're aligned together, that you are the team that you said you would be when you stood at the altar together.
The bonding exercise, obviously, Roger's spoken about the benefits to men especially, but it goes both way. You're working as a team, so you really want to do this because it's going to bond you together, and it gets you on the same page in that regard. When we're on the same page and we feel bonded with our partner, it future proofs our relationship. It's like. It's like putting up a guard or an armor or a. What do they have in the Simpsons? That dome. You know, you put, like the dome.
[00:21:53] Speaker A: Spider pig.
Okay.
[00:21:56] Speaker B: It's like putting that. That special guard up around you that protects you. Right. Because you guys are a team now. You're on the same page. You're heading in the same direction together. It also builds transparency. When you plan together, you know where the other person's at. Oh, I didn't know you wanted that out of life. Well, now you do. Oh, I didn't know that was important. Now you do. Now you're on the same page. You guys are open and the more transparent. Like all things in life, you do something more and more, it becomes the norm. You want transparency in your relationship. Get to planning. It also invites your partner to support you. You're in this together, working together. It invites you to be more of a team. And when you plan together, I mean, if you can't hear it in my voice, I've gone up, like, a good two octaves.
[00:22:42] Speaker A: Today you're pretty excited and you're easily excitable, but this is next level. But this. This is good.
[00:22:47] Speaker B: Like, I haven't said what I was gonna say.
[00:22:49] Speaker A: Well, I've got something to say too, but. No, but I think this is important, sweetie, because people see planning as boring and so or as scary, but it can be really exciting. And doing stuff that's exciting and novel with your partner is really, really important.
[00:23:03] Speaker B: Absolutely. And that's the thing. It lights you up if you give it a chance. Planning, it's freedom, I think, is the. Is the first thing. I love that. It's my. It's my favorite saying. We created it a couple years ago. Planning is freedom. We just believe it in my soul. But it gives you. It lights you up in life and it gives you motivation to go after life. Who doesn't want to be motivated in life? We don't want to be drifting through life. We want to. We want to wake up and get after life.
So how do you set yourself up for success? You've decided you want to do it.
Couple of tips in this space.
Don't make planning a drag. Don't sit down in the office together without a drink, without some. Some enjoyment and say, right, it's time to get on the computer and write a budget. That is not planning, that is writing a budget. And that is a very perfunctory, boring thing to do. Make it enjoyable. If you like going to the pub, go to the pub. If you like sitting out in the garden together, sit out in the garden. Wine and chocolate mocktails, whatever. Whatever tickles your pickle, bring it to that space. So the environment is about enjoyment, relaxation. You can get the juices flowing and use really productive tools. We use whiteboards and A3. Pads. I've talking about. I'm talking about.
I've talked about my big. I don't actually use a three. I use a one because I'm a freak. I've talked about taking these to pubs and I do, and I love them. But I am a very visual person. It's really helpful. It's really helpful to see things on paper. So bring something along to make it easy in that great environment that you're setting up to get started.
[00:24:46] Speaker A: Yeah. So Kim's excitement's very, very infectious. So once you've decided to make a plan together and you've set up the space and you're ready to go, the first thing to do, and I love this, is a visualization exercise. So each of you will take a turn in this and Yep. It doesn't matter. It might look a bit funny when you're both at the pub and one of you starts closing your eyes and, and, and, and talking and, and having that, that sort of burst of inspiration. But you know, who cares? Like you're doing something really cool. So the exercise is pretty much. You ask each other the same question and then you spend the time to go through it. So the question you're going to ask each other and you'll sit there, one of you will sit there with the eyes closed and the other one will ask the question. Visualize your perfect day from waking up to bedtime one year from now.
This is all about imagining where you will be. Visualizing where you will be if everything goes right, if you followed a plan, worked it, and succeeded and achieved it in 12 months time.
Now some of you might start talking about pina coladas on the beach or driving Ferraris. Now that, that's not, that's actually not a bad thing. But if you want some help and some prompter questions, you could ask. How do you feel when you wake up?
How does our relationship feel? You know, how's our relationship with the kids going? What are they doing? How's work going? Have you changed your job? Have you gotten a promotion? Have you started working fewer hours? Are you feeling strong? Are you feeling fit? Have you just done a fun run or started a new fitness routine? Are we on holiday somewhere? Somewhere you've dreamed of? What have we achieved? Something you didn't think possible?
So help them through this exercise. Take your time and then write down the key things that you took out.
[00:26:36] Speaker B: Of it each and get into the detail. Visualization is about living in that one day. Yeah, it's not about, you know, have I, oh, at work, I've finished Project Ibn Z.
[00:26:46] Speaker A: What did you have for breakfast?
[00:26:47] Speaker B: It's. If you've finished A, B and C, then you'll know somewhere in that day, you'll probably be in the office in your visualization and you'll be working on Project D. That will tell you you've already done the other three. So visualize exactly the day, what you ate for breakfast. How did it taste? Where were you sitting? What were you looking at? What could you see out the window? What, what did you feel when you woke up? Was it the warm embrace of your little toddler sneaking into bed? These are the things that are important because it tells us what really matters to us. What are the feelings we're trying to get out of life the way we want to live our life?
[00:27:21] Speaker A: Yeah. What this does is it really grounds your plan what you truly want out of life, not what you think other people want. And not just ticking off random goals that actually don't matter to you.
[00:27:31] Speaker B: Yes. All right, so you've done your visualization exercise. It's time to write out your priorities.
You can split your life into three key priority areas. So this is a really simplified adapted version of what Dr. Ben Hardy talks about in be your future self.
Excellent, excellent read. If anybody's interested. And that's all about how to plan from a higher level as well.
So the reason I love the word priorities is because planning is about prioritizing what matters to you in life. So split your life into three key priorities. This could be, for example.
Well, I'll give you ours. Ours were health, our daughter and our business. So in our three year plan, we have three priorities. Now ours happened to marry together. We, we were on the same page for all three of them.
That doesn't have to be the case if you feel like you've got three and your partner's got three. It's not about planning isn't about doing everything together the exact same way. It's about being open and transparent and agreeing because you can have to negotiate a plan. Agreeing what? You're both going to support each other and the unit's going to support the household to achieve.
[00:28:47] Speaker A: That's a great point, sweetie. I think people, when they think plan together means, oh, we have to do the same thing, you know. Yes, you have. Having aligned goals is important. But you, you and I have heap of our own personal goals, things we want to achieve. But by putting them on a plan together, we both know what they are and we can support each other.
[00:29:02] Speaker B: Exactly. So you've got your three priorities and under those three priorities you're just going to write out your three key goals for each one for the next 12 months. You want these to be as specific as possible so you can follow the smart goals. I think we talked about that in.
[00:29:21] Speaker A: An episode, episode two, way back in the day, I think.
[00:29:23] Speaker B: Really? Did we talk about smart goals all.
[00:29:25] Speaker A: The way back then?
[00:29:25] Speaker B: Okay, so. Or just look up the acronym SMART SMART goals, which is really about being quite specific with your goals, measurable, blah, blah, blah. But, but the more specific you can be, the easier it will be to achieve them because we're only looking at that 12 month horizon. So we do want to be specific on what we're going to actually do, especially when you're new to planning. So for example, a personal. You might have had personal as one of your three priorities. And personal might be, I want to start a monthly pottery course by the end of February. So something I want to do for myself this year. Because my priority is to put my person at the forefront in some way. You could call that something else. That could be wellbeing, whatever. It doesn't matter.
[00:30:11] Speaker A: We had health because for us, health is such a big core value for us to make sure we're healthy and fit. We had that as a whole bucket and then had a priority or one of our three priorities. And then we had three health goals underneath that.
[00:30:26] Speaker B: Exactly. Exactly. Another one might be family might have been one of your priorities. And under that, one of your goals might be one hour of dedicated phone free family time. Doing an outdoor activity on a Sunday every week. You've committed yourself for 52 hours. It's not that big a deal. And it's gonna. What? Why are you doing this? Because you want to spend quality time with your family. You want to do that. And you might say one hour is not that much. But like all things in life, if we're not planning and being accountable for it, they don't actually happen. They slip through our fingers.
[00:31:03] Speaker A: You could end up at the end of the year with like four or five hours you spent with your family. Or because you planned it, 52 hours at the end of the year.
[00:31:11] Speaker B: Exactly. And imagine what that's built in the progress you make over that time, that dedicated time with your family together. You might have a relationship goal. For example, go to bed at the same time every night for the year.
[00:31:24] Speaker A: Yeah. We highly recommend if you say family is one of your key priorities, you do put a relationship goal in there just to make sure it's always being prioritized, always at the fore, and you're making sure you're taking care of you and your partner.
[00:31:36] Speaker B: Exactly, Roggie. And just remember, these goals aren't just a list. That's what they're going to look like on the paper. But really, they're your roadmap. And this is why I'm so pumped about the plan Rog and I have done. Because honestly, it is our roadmap for the year. It takes all the stress off my shoulders of wondering where we're going, because I know exactly where we're going. I know when I want to be, where I want to be and when I want to be there. And everything else sits below that. So these are our priorities, and that's why we call them priorities. So you should say no to anything that's going to get in the way of these things. That's how you achieve.
[00:32:16] Speaker A: If it's not on the list, you shouldn't be prioritized. You should be able to say no to it.
[00:32:21] Speaker B: And remember that all the other parts of life, life, admin, chores, appointments, et cetera. That's not a life plan, that's a schedule. We're not talking about scheduling here. We're talking about planning so you can get the life you really want. A plan moves you forward. That is what you want to be doing. Like the businesses going after the big dreams, the big goals, and getting the life you really want together.
[00:32:46] Speaker A: That's right. Because if you're just following a schedule instead of a plan, you're just being busy instead of making real progress.
And remember, guys, when you've got your big A4 paper or you've got your whatever it is, you've made visual, put it up so everyone can see it, so your kids can see it, so you can see it now you don't have to put it up on the fridge. You can have it in the study, you can have in the bedroom, but make it visible so you see at least a couple of times a week. You know, ours is in our study and so we do see it every time we go in there or our home office. Kim did also did a beautiful. We've got it up. And Kim also did a beautiful PowerPoint of it as well. And the other thing is, you can revisit this every six months so it's not set in stone for those people who's still a bit worried. Oh, maybe, you know, if I put a plan there. What if things change? Of course things change. So every six months you should probably go through and go, how are we going with our plan? What's working? What's not? Well, is there a way we can support each other better? What adjustments need to be made?
[00:33:47] Speaker B: I would say it would be a great one to take to a monthly meeting. And that might be in part of your plan is spend that, do a monthly meeting as a family. Because it's a great one to check that you just, you know, heading in the direction you decided together to go.
[00:34:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Or if it's just you're going for a walk with your partner every month going, how are you going with your goals?
[00:34:06] Speaker B: That's a great one. I love that. Yeah.
[00:34:08] Speaker A: So good luck planning for 2025.
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